For you "bayezid" ...

Submitted by kman (United States), Jan 9, 2009 at 03:15

(December 19, 2008) The Washington-DC based human rights group, International Christian Concern (ICC) www.persecution.org has learned that a powerful Muslim village elder and his nephews forcibly evicted about 30 impoverished Christian families from their homes in order to make way for a stable for their livestock. While the stable will keep the Muslims' animals warm and dry, these 30 Christian families are now homeless in their village of Kotla Punjubaig in Sheikhupura district near Lahore, Pakistan.

Making good on its promise to try and "kill Jewish children anywhere." "Grad Rocket Strikes Ashdod Kindergarten Schoolyard," by Hana Levi Julian for Israel National News, January 5. A long-range Grad-type Katyusha rocket landed in the...

Marriage is a time of great joy and celebration! It is the holy union between one man and one woman as set forth by God in the first book of the Bible— the book of Genesis. Yet for Reem, Nujood, and Arwa,--marriage was a nightmare. Why? Because Reem is only 12, Nujood is only 10, and Arwa is only 9. These three Yemeni girls were mere children when they were forced to marry men more than twice their age according to a report from Yahoo!News. Fortunately, these three children were able to escape from their husbands and tell their story to the world. For most people around the globe this practice of marrying off little children to adult men is considered pedophilia, but in Yemen it is considered the norm. Yemeni law does not dictate a minimum age law that is required for marriage. In fact, this decision is subjective and left up to the parents, which was unfortunate for Reem, Nujood, and Arwa. Yet, why has the Yemeni government not set a marriage precedent? Where do this country's marriage laws and protocols come from? The answer is the Qur'an. Not only does the Qur'an not claim any prescribed age for marriage, but Muhammad himself married Aisha when she was only six. Thus, the Islamic citizens of Yemeni see nothing wrong with their practice of child marriages, because they are simply emulating Muhammad.

Arabs killed 80 million Hindus in the 9th century and enslaved so many they moved to Somali, Sudan and all over Africa. Spain was renamed as was Yathrib-Medina.

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Submitted by Bashir Mehmood (United States), Oct 15, 2008 at 15:06

God has given wriiten commands to sunni muslims to eliminate all non muslims.

Nobody can change this. It is futile to think that this can be changed

Muhammad says that the sun sets in murky waters, the moon was split while each part of it could be seen from one side of the mount Hira, mountains are like pegs that are there to keep the earth from shaking, stars are in the lower heaven while the Moon is above them, and many other absurdities. Muhammad claimed that his book is clear and that there is no doubt in it. If that is true and these are metaphors, what do these metaphors mean?

How much do you want? Shall I go on about 9/11, airliners blown out of the sky, bombers blowing up churches, Muslim soldiers in the Sudan who attack women who won't convert from Christianity – gang raping them and leaving them to bleed to death after cutting their breasts off, or the two Christian girls walking home from school and have their heads cut off by Islamic extremists in Indonesia. Let me know if I'm boring you, or maybe you need more? Maybe you would like to know the numbers of Chrsitians in Eritrea who are boxed up in cargo containers for years out in the hot sun with little to eat or drink. They pull them out now and then to rape, torture, and beat them. Egypt returned 200 Christians that had escaped from Eritrea to the latter's government which summarily "took care of them" in grand Eritrean fashion.

In Iraq, Christians are beheaded, raped, tortured, kidnapped and held for ransom. Is this your religion of peace? Or are we going to do a flip today and talk of the revenge of your false god? I could fill an entire book if this isn't enough. Others on this forum have listed countless atrocities committed in the name of Islam all over the world. More?

Do you read any newspapers outside your own village, or country, or mullah/imam approved?

Let's compare some writings from the teachings of Jesus versus Muhammad:

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." Jesus (Matthew 5:44

"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." John 15:12-13.

Contrast this to the following:

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror of your power into the hearts of the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know." Qu'ran 8:60

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Qu'ran 9:29)

Do you see the difference in emphasis between the God of Jesus Christ and that of Muhammad?

Compare Jesus words of Luke 13:24, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you , will try to enter and will not be able to." Compare these to the much bragged numbers of the easy door of Islam that delivers around 1 and a half billion.

Your claims for who Jesus was and still is are erroneous, too. Note: John 10:7–10:"…I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy; …" Take note of he who comes to "steal, kill, and destroy" – the "thief". Sounds like Islam to me. Jesus proclaims himself to be the way to "pasture" – paradise/eternal life.

How many quotes would you like "bayezid"? Or maybe you prefer the Islamic version of Jesus words many times corrected throughout Islamic history, and… stand by for more? Those versions that call for beheading, murder, and mayhem. Jesus didn't say those words? Well, why not? Muhammad did. Yes, of course, "Allah" is better, the Qu'ran is better, Islam is better.

The birth of Ishmael that Islam so highly reveres was the result of sin by Abraham and Sarah when they got impatient with waiting for God to deliver them the promised son. Abraham later sent Ishmael and his handmaiden mother away. God had finally presented Abraham the son he had promised before Abraham and Sarah took things into their own hands. Isaac was the true seed that would produce the Messiah – Jesus whom you attest to in your own Qu'ran. Of course, the Qu'ran has twisted and distorted what thousands of scholars have poured over for centuries and produced as the Bible.

I could put days into quoting for you, but you must learn to think objectively first. I've got tons of examples of the so-called "few" who commit the "rare" atrocities of Islam throughout planet earth.

Would you like more scripture comparisons perhaps? Maybe you need to tell me which Muhammad you believe in – the early one or the latter?

And let's not quibble over stuff like "Islam has no priests". You've got a ba-jillion imams, mullahs, latter day prophets who "clarify" the word of "Allah", and so on. Whether you call them "priests" or "imams" is quibbling over irrelevancies.

I don't know where you got your definitions of honesty and sincerity, but they have nothing to do with "faith" and "obedience". Honesty and sincerity are what you display to those you comment to on this forum and has nothing to do with whoever you believe in. If you want to be honest and sincere to your "god" then by all means do so, but it has nothing to do with those qualities you give us in debate.

It was very convenient that Muhammad should be the "last prophet". He had the advantage of plagiarizing and using the words of the previous prophets to whatever distorted way served his ever changing ways.

John the Baptist refrained from alcohol, too. Does that mean then that you believe John the Baptist when he testified to Jesus being the Son of God and having heard the Father testify to the same? I'm sure John had a beard, too, though I don't see any relevance there to whoever he was.

Here is another version of the origination of your term for your "god" Allah:

Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, Prophets, and Apostles. In fact, he was the Moon-god. Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most widespread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. The ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. Allah name of deity was pre-existed much before the arrival of Islam. Pre-Islamic Pagan peoples worshipped Allah as their supreme deity (moon-god).
The most popular names were Nanna, Suen, Asimbabbar and "al-ilah". His symbol was the crescent moon.

I don't remember who first put this on the forum, but doesn't really matter. The point is you can come up with your version from the religion that slides truth, and I can go by that given by countless scholars over mny centuries who actually had educations.

And one last thing. The fact that after reading the Quran, I "can remain unmoved" isn't correct. I recognize the passages copied from the New Testament writers and then distorted to come up with other meanings. Unmoved? No. I have read both, and have made a logical, truthful, and objective estimation of the one of greater worth – the Bible, which you haven't read. Therefore you aren't qualified to make any judgment on whether or not I'm "bigoted".

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