bayezid: If what was done to the killers was justified then Muhammad deserved the same for torturing and killing Kinana

Submitted by Plato (India), Jan 12, 2009 at 02:15

bayezid, please read what I write instead of concluding on your own what I intended.

>>some camel herder takes the trouble of feeding some people and giving them shelter. after that those people kill their rescuer and murder him. after that they dismember the body in a gruesome fashion. and the prophet of ALLAH was supposed to earn the wrath of ALLAH by not getting justice for that man?<<

Where does it say in the hadith that the killers had dismembered the body of the camel herder in gruesome fashion. Where did you get that little embellishment from? Quote the hadith or sira in justification.

>>youre joking right? i'm surprised you dont feel bad for the poor camel herder here. he gives those people food and a place to stay only to get killed in return.

How did you come to the conclusion that I did not feel bad for the poor camel herder. Don't push your conclusion on to me.

>> how can there be justice if those poeple were simply given a quick deth. did they give a quicjk death to the herder that saved them? did the herder even deserve to die at their hands? !<<

You have amnesia when you find it difficult to defend your prophet. I had also mentioned what the prophet did to Kinana bin Rabi. Why have you avoided commenting on that incident? You ask if the killers deserved a quick death, and whether they deserved to die at the hands of the killers. I ask you the same question regarding Kinana bin Rabi. Should the prophet also not be subject to the same punishment he inflicted on the killers?

>>so the prophet avenged the death of that herder. people that kill you an cut you to pieces are you help them are not given a quick death. they hav created a reason for people not helping other people. they bring out the worst in human beings.<<

Whose death was the prophet avenging in torturing and killing Kinana bin Rabi?? Just as the killers of the herder murdered to gain some wealth, so the prophet tortured and murdered Kinana to gain the Banu Nadir's wealth. As a bonus the prophet also got Kinana's widow whom he made haste to marry the same day as he had widowed her.

>> the prophet of ALLAH pbuh made an example out of thm.<<

This is what you had written. Read the bold words in italics. They are your words. They say only ALLAH has the right torture.

truly pathetic. the only one who has the right to torture is ALLAH. so the punishment of the grave is from HIM and by HIS permission. people dont have the right to torture. muslims are people. so this lw applies to them.

Why does Muhammad then punish with torture if Allah has authorized only Himself to indulge in such delights? Just goes to prove what I have suspected all along i.e. Allah is just an alias for Muhammed. Did Muhammad permit himself to torture as he is Allah in disguise?

Regards

Plato

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