bayezid: Self assertion is not proof

Submitted by Plato (India), Dec 23, 2008 at 11:42

bayezid you, you wrote:

>>ALLAH keeps saying in the quran that this day he has perfected the religion for us all.<<

Really? And who gave you that information. The Koran? How did it get into the Koran? Because it says in the Koran that it is the word of Allah? How did the Koran come into existence? An illiterate, destitute Arab called Muhammad claimed it was revealed to him by someone who claimed to be an angel called Gabriel?

This Gabriel claimed he was sent by an unseen being who called himself Allah and who claimed to be the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the universe. This all-powerful being frustrated with his creatures corrupting his words finally decided to send a final perfected version of his book. How perfect can a a book be if its author despite all his self-proclaimed powers cannot prevent his previous books from being corrupted? If you believe that the Koran is a perfect book, you will believe anything.

>> the religion which has been in a continuous phase of transmission has finally been completed by HIM. i dont say this, ALLAH does.<<

Why hasn't Allah told us in the Koran why it took Him so long to complete a simple message to mankind. How can you believe Allah when he says that no one can change His words when He himself has admitted that the words He spoke previously have been badly corrupted? Did the people before Muhammad have the power to change Allah's words?

>>and i am expected to argue with proof and angle so there you go.<<

So you expect people to believe you without any proof of what you say? You have been struck with Muhammad's disease. He told you to believe whatever he said however contradictory, fantastic or silly they were and you expect us to do the same with whatever you say.

>>ALLAH also says that muhammad peace be upon him is the last and final messenger.<<

If I said that Allah has informed me that He has changed His mind and has appointed me, Plato, as his next final prophet? Would you believe me and if not why not? Allah does change His mind often. He blots out verses according to 013.039
YUSUFALI: Allah doth blot out or confirm what He pleaseth: with Him is the Mother of the Book

On what basis can you dispute my claim to be Allah's next final prophet. I can also compose thousands of verses with cruel laws, funny stories and cockeyed science.

>> no one comes ater him. meaning no new messages are to be brought since all of it has been canonized in the quran. he is also known as the seal of the prophets. please look it up. and any criticism based on observation is welcome.<<

Here is my observation about this so called seal of prophets. The Bahais and the Ahmadias also claim to have their own new prophets or messengers. They have books to prove their claim and what they said have been canonized in their books. The Sikhs of India have their own book canonizing the sayings of their Gurus. By what observational data can you refute the claims of these religions. Claiming that Muhammad claimed in a book he had himself written (claiming it to be from god) that he is the last prophet cannot count as good observational data.

>>you can say that people all across the world have been told of muhammad and islam by GOD in different sacred scriptures. jesus spoke about him. moses spoke about him. the greeks knew about him. the hindus knew about him as kalki. if u see how they described him youll be blown away. just look at the similarity between kalki and muhammad and youll know what i am talking about.<<

That is your claim. Ask the Christians, jews, Hindus or whoever else and they will give the kind of tolerant smile that ones gives a child who has many years to grow to understanding.

>>so finally, all i can say is, islam isnt anyones property. it belongs to GOD alone.<<

Allah claims that everthing belongs to Him so Paganism, Judaism, and even Satanism belongs to Him. Islam stands alongside these other religions if Allah's claim is true.

>>and islam is meant for ll of humanity. i dont say it. the word of ALLAH, the al quran says it.<<

The other religions too belong to humanity since they too belong to Allah. That is the claim of the Koran.

bahais. if they say they are the latest then why do they hold all religious books in equal value ? obviosuly the previosu messages were extended upon by GODmeaning the latest message is t be followed. . its like saying i follow all editions, including the latest. this creates not just confusion but a paradox. consider the laws of GOD. although the theme behind the laws may be the same, they have still changed. during the time of moses, if someone did not attend sabbath, he was to be annihilated. in islam it isnt so at all. so which should they follow? there are many paradoxes like this the bahais have opened for themselves.

>>the bahais also say islam is something they follow. if that is so, then why dont they follow this about islam that ALLAH says that there will be no new prophets or messages? its paradoxical. it smells fishy. do the math.<<

Allah smells fishy too with His claim to be all-knowing but not able to do simple arithmetic.

Reading Koran 4:12 and 4:177 if a woman dies leaving no parents or children then her wealth is divided thus:
Husband, (1/2) = 1/2 (4:12)
Brother (everything) = 2/2(4:177)
Total = 3/2 =1.5 (http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html)

This means Allah will have to provide the extra 0.5. Clearly Allah is a very poor at maths. This is repeated in all the permutations and combinations that arise when a person dies.

Regards

Plato

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