Nozzi: Allah terrorizes unbelievers

Submitted by Plato (India), Apr 15, 2009 at 19:31

Nozzi, you write:

>>I am glad to receive your reply in which you have raised Quran 9:29 as well as 9:111. I agree with you that Allah is against non-believers.<<

And what does Allah do to non-believers? Read:

009.073 YUSUFALI: O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

003.151 YUSUFALI: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

008.012 YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."<<

>>Let's examine whose Allah that we, Muslims, is before we comment upon non-Muslims:

Quran 2:20, "Allah hath power all things" and Quran 2:33, "Allah said...I know the secrets of heaven and earth". These two verses point out to us the fact that Allah is powerful and that the universe is in control by Allah undoubtedly.<<

You are not serious are you Nozzi? If Allah is in control why are there so many unbelievers (whom He detests) in His universe? Either Allah wants unbelievers to exist or He has no control over the universe, which is it??

You read all about this Allah in a book called the Quran. What is the provenance of this book?

You must have been told at the madrassa you went to that an illiterate Arab called Muhammad who lived 1400 years ago claimed to have been visited by a strange creature called an angel who told him that a stranger creature who called Himself Allah had messages for him. These messages were collected after the death of Muhammad from people's memory, or from bones and palm leaves etc on which they were written. This collection is what your Mullah told you is called the Quran and everyone on earth has to believe it. And you, without checking whether these fantastic claims are true accept it.

Accordingly you accept the claim in the book which this Allah claims to have authored that He controls the universe. How naïve can a person be. As Mark Twain once remarked 'there is a sucker born every minute'. LOL

>>Not only that, Allah knows all the planets, stars, moons and whatsoever in this universe. The same is mentioned in Quran 3:29, "Allah knows what is in the heavens and what is on earth. And Allah has power over all things".<<

You claim that Allah knows all the planet, stars etc because it is mentioned in the Quran. Have you forgotten that the Quran was written by Allah? Will you accept a claim in a book that says Plato knows all that is on the planet and has power over all things? And would your reason be for not accepting the claim?

>>Quran 3:2, "Allah. There is no god but He-the living, the self-subsisting, eternal". This verse gives us a better hint that there is no other gods in this universe, but only one and that is Allah and the word, eternal, in Quran 3:2 implies Allah exists eternally and Allah will never die.<<

Here is a verse, please read it carefully and compare it with Quran 3:2:

Poor-an 3:2 "Plato. There is no god but He-the living, the self-subsisting, eternal". Nozzi, does this verse give you a very good hint that there are no other gods in this universe, but only one and that is Plato and the word eternal, in Poor-an 3:2 implies Plato exists eternally and Plato never dies?

Now give one good reason why you cannot believe this veres.

>>Quran 3:191, "Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting on lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in heavens and the earth (with the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee!" As the phrase, Thouj created (all) this, in Quran 3:191 is mentioned with the phrase, heavens and the earth, it implies that Allah is the creator of this Universe.<<

In 3:191, Nozzi do the exercise of substituting Poor-an for Quran and Plato for Allah and tell me how it sounds, whether you will believe in my verse and if not why not. Keep in mind the origin of the Quran.

>>Quran 9:29, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day". The phrase, Fight those who believe not Allah nor the last day, in Quran 9:29 can be interpreted in two scenarios. One is non-believer starts to fight with you and another is non-believer does not fight with you first. Thus, Quran 9:29 could be interpreted as defensive way of fighting instead of aggressive <<

Nozzi, the verse says FIGHT THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT… It is a command to fight unbelievers. The Koran is a clear book by its own claim. You cannot bring in your own scenarios to project your imaginations to what it is saying. Whether the non-believers start the fight or not Allah has commanded you fight your non-believing neighbours.

>>For instance, if Quran 9:29 is to be meant for defensive way of fighting from Allah's view, those Muslim extremists certainly have committed gravest sin on the side of Allah. Thus, moderate Muslims that like to act righteously before Allah would act rationally in case that would cause Allah to be angry with us since we, Muslims, have to be answerable to Allah in the last days of Allah's judgment.<<

You saying if 9:29 is meant for defensive fighting shows you also doubt whether it is calling for defensive war and I showed you before that it is an unequivocal call to fight your unbelieving neighbours.

>>As we know Buddhists, Christians and etc. worship God too. The God that they worship is the creator of this universe. As Allah is our God of the creator of this universe, certainly they that believe in God must be the same Allah that we worship unless there is another creator of this earth.<<

Nozzi you have forgotten the central principle of Islam – tawheed. Christians have the Trinity, Hindus have all sorts of idols which they worship. Allah detests those who give set up partners with Him and they will burn in Hell.

5:72 YUSUFALI: They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: …… Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

004.036 YUSUFALI: Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him….

>>As we know that there is only one Allah is this universe, their God that they worship must be the same Allah that we bow to. As they are the believers of the same Allah that we worship, they are the believers of Allah.<<

You are now blaspheming religions who give love to let Allah have partners like the Christians and Hindus.

>>As they worship Allah as us, there should not be any reason why we should use Quran 9:29 to commence our fights with them.<<

You should not use 9:29 to fight your neighbours but unfortunately that is what Allah wants you to do and real Muslims follow this command because they are good Muslims and not moderate one.

Regards

Plato

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