Nozzi: Koran 9:95 is advice from Allah to Muslims, not to Pagans

Submitted by Plato (India), May 14, 2009 at 02:57

Nozzi you wrote:

>>Quran 9:95, "They will swear to you by Allah when you return to them so that you may turn aside from them; so do turn aside from them; surely they are unclean ………." This verse is the advice from Allah to the pagans, the unclean,and we are told to turn aside from them, or in other words, Allah told us not to associate with the pagans. <<

It is advice from Allah to the Muslims. You are told to keep away from the pagans because Allah has created a caste system which condemns unbelievers as unclean. And as a so-callled moderate Muslim you don't seem to understand that Allah is creating a divide among his creatures on the basis of belief. That you seem to think this is a good thing goes to show what kind of a religion you follow.

>>However, this verse does not tell us that we have to ill-treat them.<<

This is as condescending as one can get!

>>The phrase, their abode is hell, in Quran 9:95 certainly refers to the consequence after the last judgment day. Or in other words, this verse should be meant to be for the execution of Allah to non-muslims. As it is the execution of Allah to non-muslims, we, muslims, have to respect Allah's decision for his execution of judgment by him. We, muslims, must not abuse the authority of Allah in which it is mentioned that Allah is the one to execute judgment upon non-muslims.<<

Nozzi let us put this verse more in the context of the other verses in the surah.

009.005 YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); …….

Is Allah referring to His judgment when He says slay the Pagans wherever you find them? Or are you going tell me this order is only meant Muhammad?

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, …….. the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Is Allah asking Muslims to fight the Christians and Jews after they reach heaven. A sort of war between Muslims in heaven and Christians and Jews in Hell? LOL. Nozzi, you must think I have no clue what the Koran is saying.

>> We, muslims, have no right to execute judgment while we are on earth since Allah did not/do not delegate this right to us.<<

In 9:29 Allah is asking you to execute His judgment on earth by fighting and humiliating the unbelievers. So too 9:5

>>Bear in mind that the phrase, their abode is hell, is mentioned in Quran 9:95 and it certainly refers to the last judgment day in which Allah will deal directly with non-muslims.<<

If 9:95 is what you say it means what about 9:29 which tells you to fight the unbelievers merely by are because they are umbelievers.

>>However, you have abused this verse to support that we, muslims, have to fight while on earth. Your act is simply to abuse the right of Allah since Allah mentions that He will do it and He did not/do not delegate this authority to us. <<

He did delegate this authority to fight and kill unbelievers by 9:29 and 9:05. Muslims all over the world are faithfully have eagerly grasped this authority and are killing unbelievers and also other Muslims believing them to be heretics.

>>Bear in mind that Allah could send a non-muslims to hell.<<

Not could send to hell. Allah will send all unbelievers to hell as He says the worst sin in his book is 'shirk' or associating anyone else with Him.

>>We, muslims, could have no power to send them to hell.<<

Muslims have been given the power by Allah to send people to their deaths in 9:05 and 9:29. After that Allah takes care of them by sending them to hell on judgment day.

>>As the word, hell, is mentioned, it certainly refers to the Last Judgment Day instead of the current stuation.<<

Maybe. But in the current situation Muslims are authorized by Allah to kill or convert unbelievers by 9:5 and9:29.

>>You have abused the Holy Quran for war.<<

Read 9:05, 9:28 and 9:29 once again. You will notice that it is Allah who abuses unbelievers and then calls for war against them. You are abusing logic.

>>Who do you think we are? We are not Allah!<<

You are Allah's contractors on earth. He has signed a contract with a binding promise of paradise with Muslims to fight and kill or be killed for Him. Read:

9:111 PICKTHAL: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

>>How could we abuse the authority of Allah especailly Allah is the only one can put non-muslims to hell. But we cannot.<<

As 9:111 tells you the only way you can 'abuse' the authority of Allah is by not fulfilling the contract to kill or be killed in His cause.

Regards

Plato

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