Using a book of Bukhari to be the message of Allah to overwrite the message in Quran, is an act of disbelieving

Submitted by Mohamad Nozzi (Singapore), May 27, 2009 at 11:28

Submitted by Plato (India), May 26, 2009 at 11:48

Nozzi you write,

>>I ask you a very simple question. Can muslims marry with non-muslims? Certainly! All muslims will oppose to fight their muslim children to marry with non-muslims, the unclean things<<

Your prophet himself associated with many 'unclean women'. He kept Maria as a sex slave and fathered Ibrahim, who died in infancy. He kept Rehana as a sex slave.

>>As we are told in the Holy Quran that we must not associate or to marry with non-muslims, Quran 4:3 and 4:24 must be meant for muslims among themselves.<<

You cannot marry the 'unclean things'. But you most certainly can have sex with them freely.

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637: Narrated Buraida:

The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and 'Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus."

Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

>>The phrase, Marry women of your choice Two or Three or Four, in Quran 4:3 gives us the stronger hint that we, muslims, could marry them and these certainly are those muslim women instead of non-muslims since all non-muslims have to be treated as unclean.<<

Why then did the prophet excuse Ali, married to the prophet's daughter, for raping an unclean slave girl?

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 637: Narrated Buraida:

The Prophet sent 'Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and 'Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumus."

>>As we, muslims, marry with one or two or three or four women, these women would be our captive and that we would not be guilty with Allah or anybody since we have legally accepted them as our wives.<<

What exactly are you trying to say? Are you seriously saying that the women you marry are your captives? If that is what you mean (and you would be right because in his last sermon Muhammad compared women to slaves and domestic animals) Islam instead of freeing women as claimed by Muslims has made them into slaves.

>>What a beast, you Plato, is since you want us to associate with unclean thing, the non-muslim women? Unless they are muslim women and they have legally married with us, we, moderate muslims, would then have relationship with them. Don't tell me that you would encourage muslims to marry with non-muslims! What's a silly teaching!<<

The beast Plato does not want you to associate with anyone, but your Allah and His apostle certainly allows you to associate with unclean pagan women.

Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 130 Narrated 'Abdullah:

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I proved to you above that Ali also did unclean things with a kaffir girl. DISGUSTING! And he became the last of the Rightly Guided Caliphs. LOL.

We, muslims, are certainly aware that we can only marry with muslims and we could enjoy with muslims since all of us are clean. However, bear in mind, not to think wrongly, we, moderate muslims only associate with those muslims when we are legally married and that they are willing and so we are. Please kindly visit muslim family that has more than three wives whether they are forced to marry. Instead, e used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to get a women with a temporary contract

004.024 YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:

It is silly that you do not know that Allah has allowed Muslims to do unclean things to unclean women.

>>Quran 4:3 and 4:24 are meant for muslim people to marry with muslim people. However, you have again abused Quran 4:3 and 4:24 to encourage muslims to marry or to have secret relationship with non-muslims.<<

>>Disgusting! Only yo.<<

u, the unclean, would think of that

most of them are willing even Quran 4;3 and 4;24 establish the legality of marriage for more than three muslim women in a family. Don't debate on this issue since Allah approves.

>>If you, Plato, is jealous of muslims to have more than three muslim women, you, too, should be converted to muslim.<<

A wonderful piece of 'dawa'. This is of a piece with other Muslims I have met who try to entice me with all the lovely things (especially of the sexual kind) that Allah has in store for me if I accept Him as my god.

I respect women more than Muslims to treat them as sex objects. The women you said accepted being second and third wives would, I am willing to bet, be uneducated and without an indepent livelihood. They accept the life of a second grade human to have food, clothing and a roof over their heads. Their position is not very different from the slave-girl Ali raped.

Regards

Plato

You have used the story that is mentioned in the book of Sahih Bukhari to be the words of Allah and that has made a silliest mistake in the interpretation of Quran. Quran is indeed the message of Allah and the book of Sahih Bukhari is not the message of Allah and you must not use the story to mislead all the muslims. The book of Sahih Bukhari is simply the story of the past and how could this be treated to be the message of Allah due to people like you, non-muslims, tend to abuse the Holy Quran and to use your interpretation of the story of Sahih Bukhari to be treated as the words of Allah. The Holy Quran has a clear definition of muslims or Islam and that is those that believe in Allah and the Last Judgment Day. However, you make a mistake here and that is to use the story of Sahih Bukhari to be treated as the message of Allah. Allah has mentioned in Quran 4:3 that cannot be disputable by all muslims that muslims must not associate with muslims and yet you use your interpretation of Sahih Bukhari to replace the meaning of Allah. If the meaning in the Quran can be replaced by the interpretation of Sahih Bukhari, why should there be Quran since the book of Sahih Bukhari should be the words of Allah? You have to bear in mind that Quran is indeed the message of Allah instead of Sahih Bukhari. Unless you support that the book of Sahih Bukhari is the message of Allah instead of Quran, your act in abusing Sahih Bukhari so as to replace the message in Quran is simply the act of disbelieving Allah since Quran is the book to be undisputable to be accepted universally among muslim people to be trully the message of Allah and none else.

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